I think it’s because there’s nothing to escape to in TV shows anymore. Nothing punches me out of a show harder than “the characters unnaturally talk about THING.”
I get the vibe that there's a huge amount of old shows that flew under the radar at the time of airing but were still actually quite amazing. Fringe is a great example. A lengthy show for sure, but the premise is interesting.
I think old shows were more straightforward in their storytelling, but the new ones are constantly trying to draw you in with a cliffhanger to the point where they start changing the premise. "Grimm" and "Murdoch Mysteries" started off as basic murder mysteries, and then they were expanded into conspiracy theory shows. Whereas a show like "Murder, She Wrote" and "Diagnosis: Murder" stick to the standard whodunit narrative.
New media is usually woke media. It's hard to find a recent show which doesn't come with a lecture. No one wants to be lectured on how "evil" white people are or how "men are oppressing women" or maybe "there's only five years left to save the planet" or some other woke nonsense.
"There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind." The same can be said about all media. I watched your vid about Madame Web, the sarcastic one, and laughed my ass off. I subbed. Your content is 'good' therefore I watch. Your opinions on the current state of TV compared to the b4 time, dead on the money. TNG refs always help. Cheers!
You've got most of it with the episodes ending on cliffhangers to bait you into watching another. But then the season ends on a cliff hanger to get you to watch the next season. And then after the 2nd season the show is cancelled so you get no narrative resolution on anything and you might as well have not watched it all. Its like recursive blueballs.
Only religious like adherence to this foolish way of thinking could convince capitalist corporations to lose money over and over trying to force us to consume something we don’t want. The bingeing issue seems to be something you should work on though
No message. Just about people living their lives. Programs can't do that anymore. They have to preach at you. Tell you… you are stupid and have to believe only the way they believe.
I truly think entertainment has gone downhill especially in the past 3 years now. I feel like after 2020, it was when stuff started to actually not be good anymore. Now I believe there are many factors to that. One of the biggest ones is the constant involvement of politics. Almost all projects nowadays are constantly incorporating propaganda and just shove it down your throat and just force it on you like race, gender ideology, LGBTQ/trans, pride, mocking Christianity, disgusting rivalry of political parties, hating on Trump, etc. And I feel like people now have trust issues with stuff now because they’re afraid they’re gonna see those things in the new production. Now another thing is a lot of celebrities showing their true colors. What I mean by that is now people are knowing like what morals or what values that person stands for, even though a lot of the time they’re supporting the wrong things. And also them being shitty, mean, toxic and dumb people, alongside knowing their political views. There’s also how Hollywood is operating now in terms of studio and company runnings. A lot of them have dumb executives and CEOs who just don’t care about their audiences, fans or projects, and treat everything they do like products, rather than something that people love watching and seeing as real things. I can go on and on but I don’t wanna drag this comment out too long. I’m gonna have to write an entire article on it ?
In a related note, is it just me who thinks after Endgame most Superhero movies are like the premier episode of a current TV show??? The Marvels, Madam Webb, Flash,….
This is true My all time favorite show remains Maverick that was on in 1958. Burns and Allen and the Jack Benny program continue to get big laughs. 40 year old reruns of the Johnny Carson show get ratings that compete with current talk shows. The reason? They were better shows
The Flash was a great show and did the character justice for the first 3 seasons. I can’t speak on behalf of the rest of the seasons but it was very much episodic with a good through line and a genuine love for the Flash lore. It seems to be hip nowadays to always speak badly of CW shows but there were some quality superhero shows from Arrow, Flash to cheesy but very fun Legends of Tomorrow and even to Lois and Superman. Far better than the big budget but soulless Marvel shows on Disney+. Perhaps those shows should be the punching bag? Just saying.
People watch TV for comfort, so it’s only natural that people will seek out what makes them feel good when at home. So sitcoms or older action/drama shows most people will gravitate to especially for older people that can’t relate to the infantile crap of today.
The problem isn't just that most TV nowadays uses a season-long arc. The problem is that with the poor quality of modern writing, by the time you get through 6-8 episodes hoping that it will end with a worthwhile resolution, you're instead severely disappointed at wasting all that time. And it isn't that they're just baiting the next episode/season. The writers genuinely have no end goal for their stories. Therefore can't do anything but constantly up the stakes in the hopes that they can trick the audience into coming back. There are very few current shows that have a "satisfying conclusion".
If you haven't already seen it, I recommend Babylon 5. The last three seasons were written almost entirely by the showrunner, so there is great consistency between episodes and seasons. He even had an outline of the highpoints of each episode from the beginning. Each season has specific goals in mind in the overall story being told by the series.
From your video it sounds like the newer shows are basically trying to make a show a novel. All of those very detailed backstories are things that work in novels but not so much in film cause it gets too bogged down.
I notice you don't talk about any form of politics in your videos which is a good thing. But that is problem with new shows is that they're heavily saturated with some form of politics. People behind the scenes are trying to spread some kind of message which just drives away potential viewers.
I read it somewhere it's because of familiarity and comfort. You don't need to deal with the dissapointment of terrible development or plot twists and can just relax after a tiring day
I’m watching older British comedies instead of investing my time in new shows. I’m out of touch with modern American culture and dislike crime shows so I don’t connect with what’s coming out.
I believe LOST is the show that ruined TV. The show was nothing but cliffhangers and macguffins. But it got huge ratings and everyone wanted their own LOST.
Hollywood got rid of a lot of their most talented people so fast because their motto is "male and pale is stale", but it means they didn't have time to properly mentor the next generation which in turn means that the past 100 hundred years of collective experience has been mostly lost.
I prefer watching older TV shows because they are complete and finished. The last two contemporary shows I watched got canceled. This gives me some reassurance when beginning a show. Even if I don’t like the ending, at least it's finished.
Also, I feel like new media is heartless? Maybe I'm projecting. However, I think it's hard for writers to be creative and passionate when they are stifled by checkboxes/restrictions.
Why do you think people aren't as into new tv shows?
I think it’s because there’s nothing to escape to in TV shows anymore.
Nothing punches me out of a show harder than “the characters unnaturally talk about THING.”
Commercials… far too many ADS nowadays… I straight up, stop watching some shows, because an extended ad popped up one too many times.?
I get the vibe that there's a huge amount of old shows that flew under the radar at the time of airing but were still actually quite amazing. Fringe is a great example. A lengthy show for sure, but the premise is interesting.
Because modern entertainment is dead. It's not a goddamn mystery.
Theres nothing new or creative. Everything a remake or a rehash.
Season-long stories don't allow space for standalone episodes to pick up casual viewers, you're right.
I think old shows were more straightforward in their storytelling, but the new ones are constantly trying to draw you in with a cliffhanger to the point where they start changing the premise. "Grimm" and "Murdoch Mysteries" started off as basic murder mysteries, and then they were expanded into conspiracy theory shows. Whereas a show like "Murder, She Wrote" and "Diagnosis: Murder" stick to the standard whodunit narrative.
New media is usually woke media. It's hard to find a recent show which doesn't come with a lecture. No one wants to be lectured on how "evil" white people are or how "men are oppressing women" or maybe "there's only five years left to save the planet" or some other woke nonsense.
"There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind." The same can be said about all media. I watched your vid about Madame Web, the sarcastic one, and laughed my ass off. I subbed. Your content is 'good' therefore I watch. Your opinions on the current state of TV compared to the b4 time, dead on the money. TNG refs always help. Cheers!
You've got most of it with the episodes ending on cliffhangers to bait you into watching another. But then the season ends on a cliff hanger to get you to watch the next season. And then after the 2nd season the show is cancelled so you get no narrative resolution on anything and you might as well have not watched it all. Its like recursive blueballs.
Only religious like adherence to this foolish way of thinking could convince capitalist corporations to lose money over and over trying to force us to consume something we don’t want.
The bingeing issue seems to be something you should work on though
I like Abbott Elementary and I thought Schitts Creek was funny.
These days I mostly watch anime and kdramas, the writing is just better despite some cultural references going over my head.
I don't have streaming and cpuld care less.
Go blurays !!!
No message. Just about people living their lives. Programs can't do that anymore. They have to preach at you. Tell you… you are stupid and have to believe only the way they believe.
I truly think entertainment has gone downhill especially in the past 3 years now. I feel like after 2020, it was when stuff started to actually not be good anymore. Now I believe there are many factors to that. One of the biggest ones is the constant involvement of politics. Almost all projects nowadays are constantly incorporating propaganda and just shove it down your throat and just force it on you like race, gender ideology, LGBTQ/trans, pride, mocking Christianity, disgusting rivalry of political parties, hating on Trump, etc. And I feel like people now have trust issues with stuff now because they’re afraid they’re gonna see those things in the new production. Now another thing is a lot of celebrities showing their true colors. What I mean by that is now people are knowing like what morals or what values that person stands for, even though a lot of the time they’re supporting the wrong things. And also them being shitty, mean, toxic and dumb people, alongside knowing their political views. There’s also how Hollywood is operating now in terms of studio and company runnings. A lot of them have dumb executives and CEOs who just don’t care about their audiences, fans or projects, and treat everything they do like products, rather than something that people love watching and seeing as real things. I can go on and on but I don’t wanna drag this comment out too long. I’m gonna have to write an entire article on it ?
Abbot elementary seems to be a good mockumentary workplace comedy type show. It just started season 3.
Abbot elementary seems to be a good mockumentary workplace comedy type show. It just started season 3.
In a related note, is it just me who thinks after Endgame most Superhero movies are like the premier episode of a current TV show??? The Marvels, Madam Webb, Flash,….
Because new shows are poorly written with bad to no character development, all based on the politics of the writers and people involved.
This is true My all time favorite show remains Maverick that was on in 1958. Burns and Allen and the Jack Benny program continue to get big laughs. 40 year old reruns of the Johnny Carson show get ratings that compete with current talk shows. The reason? They were better shows
The Flash was a great show and did the character justice for the first 3 seasons. I can’t speak on behalf of the rest of the seasons but it was very much episodic with a good through line and a genuine love for the Flash lore. It seems to be hip nowadays to always speak badly of CW shows but there were some quality superhero shows from Arrow, Flash to cheesy but very fun Legends of Tomorrow and even to Lois and Superman. Far better than the big budget but soulless Marvel shows on Disney+. Perhaps those shows should be the punching bag? Just saying.
People watch TV for comfort, so it’s only natural that people will seek out what makes them feel good when at home. So sitcoms or older action/drama shows most people will gravitate to especially for older people that can’t relate to the infantile crap of today.
for your 1st point, Luke Smith would highly disagree w/ you lmao
The problem isn't just that most TV nowadays uses a season-long arc. The problem is that with the poor quality of modern writing, by the time you get through 6-8 episodes hoping that it will end with a worthwhile resolution, you're instead severely disappointed at wasting all that time. And it isn't that they're just baiting the next episode/season. The writers genuinely have no end goal for their stories. Therefore can't do anything but constantly up the stakes in the hopes that they can trick the audience into coming back. There are very few current shows that have a "satisfying conclusion".
If you haven't already seen it, I recommend Babylon 5. The last three seasons were written almost entirely by the showrunner, so there is great consistency between episodes and seasons. He even had an outline of the highpoints of each episode from the beginning. Each season has specific goals in mind in the overall story being told by the series.
This is called Survivor Bias.
The best old shows survived. The vast majority of old shows were actually forgottoj and nobody watches them.
10 years down the line when people are obsessively rewatching Succession, it wouldn't mean that all TV Shows of the 2020s were good.
Today's woke, DEI hire writers have no creativity or talent.
From your video it sounds like the newer shows are basically trying to make a show a novel. All of those very detailed backstories are things that work in novels but not so much in film cause it gets too bogged down.
Spot on
They’re my only source of entertainment now outside of fanfiction
I concur
I notice you don't talk about any form of politics in your videos which is a good thing. But that is problem with new shows is that they're heavily saturated with some form of politics. People behind the scenes are trying to spread some kind of message which just drives away potential viewers.
I read it somewhere it's because of familiarity and comfort. You don't need to deal with the dissapointment of terrible development or plot twists and can just relax after a tiring day
I’m watching older British comedies instead of investing my time in new shows. I’m out of touch with modern American culture and dislike crime shows so I don’t connect with what’s coming out.
What were your favorite shows that you rewatch? Mine are "Everybody loves Raymond", King of Queens, "Frasier", the Office, and little of Seinfeld.
I believe LOST is the show that ruined TV. The show was nothing but cliffhangers and macguffins. But it got huge ratings and everyone wanted their own LOST.
"just consume product, then get ready for next product" except there's no discrete stage where first product ends and next product begins.
One problem is that there's more shows being produced than ever before and the supply of talented and experienced writers simply hasn't kept pace.
Hollywood got rid of a lot of their most talented people so fast because their motto is "male and pale is stale", but it means they didn't have time to properly mentor the next generation which in turn means that the past 100 hundred years of collective experience has been mostly lost.
I prefer watching older TV shows because they are complete and finished. The last two contemporary shows I watched got canceled. This gives me some reassurance when beginning a show. Even if I don’t like the ending, at least it's finished.
Also, I feel like new media is heartless? Maybe I'm projecting. However, I think it's hard for writers to be creative and passionate when they are stifled by checkboxes/restrictions.
I really enjoy escaping to the past with old TV shows, to places like Mayberry with Andy and Barney or New Rochelle with Rob and Laura Petrie.